Thursday, 2 December 2010

Time To Stand Up And Be Counted!

Are Bloglanders turning into a bunch of wimps and sissies all of a sudden? More and more blogs have 'Comment Moderation' activated which results in that infuriating notice  ' Your comment has been saved and will be visible after blog owner approval.' Can nobody bear to hear even a hint of criticism? Is everybody afraid of seeing words published that don't comply with their idea of 'niceness'?

Do people not realise, ANY comment can be removed by the blog owner at any time, anyway. I see little point in having this vetting process operational right from the word go. In two years of blogging WITHOUT comment moderation, I believe I have only had to removed one comment - and that was because it was written in what appeared to be a Chinese script, and as such was unintelligible to me.

What exactly are people afraid of?

When one is unable to read comments preceding one's own, a blog can end up with line after line of almost identical remarks, each so banal as to make them valueless. At least, when all comments are instantly readable, it gives one a chance to write something more original, and also allows the deletion of one's own comment if mistakes in spelling (or sense) are noticed after clicking the post button.

Come on, folks! Grow up! and take things on the chin a bit more! Take off the dratted moderation, and lets see a bit more freedom of speech.

33 comments:

  1. i have mine in place to protect my blog from the many anonymous comments that appear that are less than savoury requests for me to try a variety of products or items that claim to enhance an otherwise satisfactory situation. otherwise, i publish every comment that is signed. the bottom line for me is that i like to see that none of my other guests are offended. does that help? steven

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  2. I don't mind the criticism, but I did mind the posts with links to porn sites ... used to get a couple a day. Ptuiiii.

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  3. It's become part of the Blogger paranoia, thinks I -- like people being afraid to include their email address -- as if a hundred more bits of spam would make a difference -- believe me they find you anyway.

    On WordPress, I can make it so that the first comment must be approved. After that, they can comment freely. Seems eminently sensible to me.

    As for Steve's issue with Spam, you'd think that Google could spam-trap in Blogger like they do so well with their email. Unfortunately, Blogger remains the neglected child in the vast Google empire.

    Thanks for providing me the opportunity of uncensored venting. :)

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  4. It's just about the spam, for me. I really disliked moderation, because it meant comment postings were delayed until I got to them, so I got rid of it, and all was OK for a good while. Then one of our posts got the most awful porn comment. I agree with anvilcloud that Google should be able to do better, but, in the meanwhile, I felt I had to reactivate moderation for a while--not to mention remove my e-mail address, as I got the same awful message there. It's a shame.

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  5. I must admit I had the moderation thing on when I first started my blog several months ago. I thought it was necessary to prevent spam. I decided there weren't that many people coming to my blog and I doubted spammers wwould be coming either. I took it off. I have had no problem.

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  6. There's no moderation at my blog...but you know that! Blogger's new spam detection has been working for me, with the silly advertisements, but I never got them often, anyway!

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  7. I don't moderate comments (never have), but from time to time I have to initiate the heinous word verification to slow down the spam-stream. I have it turned off right now, but go figure... it only takes about a week before the spammers start up like crazy if I don't have it enabled.

    I completely agree with your point, though: we've got to stand behind our words and be conversational enough to hold a discourse ESPECIALLY with those who hold differing opinions. I don't go looking for controversy, drama or conflict- but if it finds me, I do my best to keep the dialogue going. Isn't that the whole point of blogging, really?

    If everyone agreed with us, it would be a miserable bore.

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  8. I put a moderation up for any comments that are left more than 2 weeks after I post something. That's because I have found human trafficking web sites advertised on my old posts. Very disturbing. I actually know of girls who have disappeared from villages in Nepal and I don't want the subject of my posts to attract that yuck and for me not to notice. I also took the Adsense off of my blog for that reason.

    But for the first two weeks while I still have my eye one it, anything goes and I don't think that I have had to delete anything but advertising.

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  9. I don't think controversial comments are typically the concern, Jinsky. I dislike moderation as a matter of course but I can understand those who feel they have to use it to avoid spam. That having been said, like Butternut Squash above, I keep my posts which are older than two weeks moderated because that's where the vast majority of spam goes - usually to one or two posts, over and over again.

    Blogger has recently stepped up their spam filters though, and I find them to be quite successful for current posts. For those who haven't tried to remove their moderation from all posts yet, you might be pleasantly surprised if you do.

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  10. P.S. And then there's that pesky word verification... ;)

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  11. I've gone back and forth with moderation - and now have it set to moderate something like a week or two later -- haven't looked at that in a while. Perhaps I should!

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  12. I've never had comment moderation on my blog and I've had it for over 5 years! Earlier on, I noticed some spam comments, but really I never get any now. I wonder why some people get so much and I get none? Not that I'm complaining...but I do agree totally with your comments on this situation.

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  13. My solution is simple. If you have to "approve" my comments first, you don't get them. I'm not going to waste time pandering to your preciousness and sennnnnsitivity.
    Furhter - I never get "spam" comments or links to porno sites, or anonymous comments. What am I doing wrong?

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  14. I also agree with Jinksy's view of the quality of the comments which do leak through the safety net of "approval." Particularly on the "poetry". 98% of comments might just as well say "This is awesome." An inferior poem has yet to be published on blogworld if the comments are to be believed. Presumably the principle is "If I don't say this poem is crap, he/she won't say mine is crap." As far as I can see, blogpoetry is a gigantic mutual admiration society. And a great deal of the so-called "poetry" is indistinguishable from prose chopped up into lines that don't go all the way across the page.
    No aspiring poet learns anything from this process. Nobody's work is improved by it. Let's have more critique and less sycophancy.

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  15. Jinksy - I see by all previous comments that you have started something here.

    I have the word verification to cut down on spam - which I know can be eliminated at the touch of a button anyway.

    I agree with the Doc about comments though. There is an unwritten law that we can only be positive - when my son was 5 his teacher had written on a particularily poor drawing "Good Work". I looked at him and asked why he had made so little effort, his reply was simply "She writes Good Work on everybodies picture, why bother to make an effort?"

    As you point out if you don't like a comment it can be deleted - I keep all of mine (and no-one has asked me about joining a porn site - maybe they read about my connections)

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  16. I now moderate all comments as I was getting 40 - 50 spams a week even though my blog's only been going for a year. I only delete the spammers though :-)

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  17. What does a "spam" comment look like? What sort of content/subject/wording tells the blogowner the comments are spam? I'd love to see a few representative examples. Presumably they are always Anonymous. I think I could make the following case without too much trouble - "90% of the comments left on Poetry Blogs are spam."
    I never get spam eMails either, beyond Moonpig, Snapfish, Amazon etc reminding me I haven't spent any money with them recently. Gmail's spam filter deals with them appropriately.
    No spam comments! No spam eMails. Why am I Numbered Amongst the Downtrodden? (Must be a few limericks in this . . . . )

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  18. Doctor FTSE, I'm tempted to ask every one of my commenters to send you a 'Spam' email - or preferably a sandwich made from the pink and peculiar wartime delicacy of the same name! LOL

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  19. I print all of my negative comments, as long as they are in a language that I can understand.

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  20. All I use if verification.
    I had to remove one the other day (the first in two years of blogging) because it was a blatant sales pitch, thinly disguised.

    I heard from somebody who has moderation that they get regular nasty comments which are surely a pain to have.

    Apart from that I am happy for everybody to do on their blog as they wish, I'll do likewise on mine and decided whether to comment or not as the spirit moves me at the time.

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  21. I don't usually read all the comments before mine but I did here.
    All of them very wise. Like the Doc, I just don't get spam or porno in comments. I can see that it would really annoy me if I did.

    Doc, about the poetry, I've done that myself, a) posted a bad 'un to see what would happen and b) really praised bad 'uns on other blogs.

    There never is a bad reply anywhere that I can see, people sensibly simply don't comment at all.

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  22. I've never used comment moderation and to date, no spam or nasty comments. I would perhaps be inclined to introduce moderation should the situation change.

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  23. I'm not famous enough to require moderation.

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  24. I'm with Jhon up there.

    I just under 1,000 posts, I've only had two nasty comments, neither of which were really directed at me.

    Pearl

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  25. This is an interesting discussion, indeed, and, among other things, shows the many and really unaccountable variations of spam experience. To Doc FTSE, believe me, if you'd got the porn spam that came our way, you would have known exactly what it was. Most unpleasant, and I won't sully Jinksy's post by repeating it here. I guess I would counsel not to take moderation or word verification as insults, but rather think the best of folks. I think on the whole bloggers do their best to keep the lines as open as they feel they can. And in that line, I think I'm going to try removing word verification, too, for a while and see what happens--but please don't be insulted if I find I have to reinstate it to keep the spammers away!

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  26. I don't mind negative comments and I wouldn't mind if I only received spam but I get those Chinese messages, porn links and some with words which may offend my friends.....so instead of saying why me I just do what I thought would be safe and comfortable for everyone......I understand if you don't want to comment Jinksy, many blogs are like yours and I have to admit even I like it better.....:-)Hugs

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  27. What a coincidence, Jinksy. I just got through posting a comment policy at my place, and I also don't think moderating every word is necessary. Of course, I haven't had much of a spam problem with porn or anything. I've got verification turned on--yes, it's annoying, but they've improved it a lot lately, and it only takes a few seconds to prove you're a human being. However there is one site in particular that lately has started relentlessly touting themselves and their events randomly all over the place, so I decided to give 'em fair warning and do as you say in your post above, delete as I see fit.

    I also agree that people are frequently overly positive, but really, unless someone actively solicits a critique, I don't think they're posting to have their work criticized or "improved." If something is abysmal in my eyes, I just don't comment. Why ruin someone's day or discourage them from doing something they want to do? They're not making me read their stuff.
    It's too easy to be negative, and the world's a cold and nasty enough place as it is.

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  28. With the new spam filters, I love they catch all that anonymous stuff we can delete.

    I did end up putting recently a thing that if someone comments after 3 or 4 days after I post, I have to approve it, but now that they have the spam filters, I may take that off . . . I was suddenly getting a lot of spam on things I'd written even a year ago! Now I can catch it.

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  29. Spam is annoying, especially Chinese porn sites.
    However, if its only now & then, I agree. It is easy to remove a comment> Even I can do that!
    Maggie X

    Nuts in May

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  30. I had mine set that way at one time, because of a nasty vulgar comment, but then I fixed it so I get them in my email, in case I don't have time to get back to my blog to read them, if it's something I don't want up there, I then go and delete it. So far have had none.

    And you are most welcome to borrow anything from my blog post if you enjoy them. Most everything I post I either got through my e-mail or a joke I read someplace. Getting ready for the holidays? Busy time of year I know.

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  31. I don't know WHY I wasn't a follower on your blog when I've been so amused by you on Fridge Soup. Anyway - sorted. And I found this post and all the comments an interesting read. I have changed my moderation of comments to the 'only older than 14 days' thing - I didn't even realise this was an option, and it is true, the spam arrives on those ones, not the new ones generally.

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  32. I agree wholeheartedly, Jinksy. One step I take may be of help to others. I allow all comments on recent posts, but any post older than seven days requires moderation. I've found that most who would plant inappropriate comments do so on older posts.

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  33. My list of comment moderators,all drawn from the Magpie Tales blog, now stands at 38. Keeping this handy list means I don't even bother reading their pomes, the wee sensitive souls.

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